Cave and Crag message board. Please register to get the most from this facility. Registration only takes a minute. For verification purposes you will need to register using your real name and address otherwise your registration can not be approved. Personal information will not be made public unless you allow it in your profile. If you need help to register please email webmaster@caveandcrag.co.uk http://www.jotech.co.uk/forum/index.phpSat, 19 May 2012 21:28:33 +0100 Phorum 5.2.14 http://www.jotech.co.uk/forum/read.php?4,923,930#msg-930 http://www.jotech.co.uk/forum/read.php?4,923,930#msg-930I've booked the YSS cottage at Helwith Bridge, cost is £6pppn (website for directions [www.yssuk.com])

Will be there on Friday about 9:00pm, and if not at the cottage will be in the Helwith Bridge pub next door.

Suggest bring a variety of kit incl SRT and wetsuit, etc. Weather bit changeable, we can plan trips when there.

Coming along at moment,
Clive
Steve
Jo
Jeremy
Matt.

Anyone else interested please get in touch.
I'll ring round tomorrow night to make sure all OK with transport.

Look forward to the weekend,
Andy]]> andy g CavingWed, 16 May 2012 22:23:56 +0100 http://www.jotech.co.uk/forum/read.php?4,923,929#msg-929 http://www.jotech.co.uk/forum/read.php?4,923,929#msg-929
SRT kit or wetsuit? Accommodation, cost, self-catering? Saturday and Sunday trips? Meet on Friday night? Location?

Cheers Je]]> Jeremy CavingTue, 15 May 2012 21:21:25 +0100 http://www.jotech.co.uk/forum/read.php?4,923,928#msg-928 http://www.jotech.co.uk/forum/read.php?4,923,928#msg-928 Chris H CavingSun, 13 May 2012 20:58:15 +0100 http://www.jotech.co.uk/forum/read.php?4,903,927#msg-927 http://www.jotech.co.uk/forum/read.php?4,903,927#msg-927 Jon Hardy CavingSat, 12 May 2012 00:59:30 +0100 http://www.jotech.co.uk/forum/read.php?4,923,926#msg-926 http://www.jotech.co.uk/forum/read.php?4,923,926#msg-926 clive bennett CavingThu, 10 May 2012 00:02:06 +0100 http://www.jotech.co.uk/forum/read.php?4,903,925#msg-925 http://www.jotech.co.uk/forum/read.php?4,903,925#msg-925 Jon Hardy CavingTue, 08 May 2012 09:35:27 +0100 http://www.jotech.co.uk/forum/read.php?3,924,924#msg-924 http://www.jotech.co.uk/forum/read.php?3,924,924#msg-924
Penny and I will be at the campsite Campitello Miravalle (www.campingmiravalle.it) from Wed 11th July to Sat 21st July. Booking is recommended ... let me know if you need advice or help with this.

I'll post more info as I get more! Phone me or email if you are interested in joining the expedition.

Andy]]> Andy Hemsted ClimbingMon, 07 May 2012 11:44:32 +0100 http://www.jotech.co.uk/forum/read.php?4,923,923#msg-923 http://www.jotech.co.uk/forum/read.php?4,923,923#msg-923Andy Gallon is going to run the Yorkshire meet 19th & 20th May.
Please sign up here!
Cheers
Chris]]> Chris H CavingSun, 06 May 2012 21:29:27 +0100 http://www.jotech.co.uk/forum/read.php?4,903,922#msg-922 http://www.jotech.co.uk/forum/read.php?4,903,922#msg-922 Jon Hardy CavingSat, 05 May 2012 00:52:11 +0100 http://www.jotech.co.uk/forum/read.php?4,920,921#msg-921 http://www.jotech.co.uk/forum/read.php?4,920,921#msg-921
I've commandeered this meet (with Clive's permission) so if anyone wants to come along, members or not then just drop me a PM or you can email me on emmam_154@hotmail.com. I'll put up more details closer to the time and when I have a better idea of numbers.

Emma :)]]> Emma CavingThu, 03 May 2012 12:09:10 +0100 http://www.jotech.co.uk/forum/read.php?4,920,920#msg-920 http://www.jotech.co.uk/forum/read.php?4,920,920#msg-920PS don’t be sorry to ask for help Chris! If we can help we will Clive.]]> clive bennett CavingMon, 30 Apr 2012 21:10:20 +0100 http://www.jotech.co.uk/forum/read.php?4,903,919#msg-919 http://www.jotech.co.uk/forum/read.php?4,903,919#msg-919
From the west; ( in readiness with forty plus lumps of heavy metal work and enough rope to have reached the Titanic!)
Mr Connors, the Gupster (geography, a.k.a. colouring in, and P.E.), Al, a true scholar (origami)
From the east; Craig (primary, a.k.a. more interesting colouring in and sex-ed) Teacher Z, and an Owd Git.

Venue; not Yorkshire, due to an inclement bout of dampness there4 A Maskhill - Oxlow exchange.
Friday eve, I measured, labelled and packed a frugal, tho' wholly safe and sufficient selection of ropes. In the correct bags ready to feed out, also in direct correlation to pitches, sufficient 'light-weight' aluminium crabs.
Lastly all my spare crabs and stainless maillons, to suppliment the western party (no not cowboys!!)
Saturday morning sat at the appropriate place, (having made due payment at the cat sanctuary.)
I answered the 'we're still at the cafe' call. Bob enjoyed his windswept toddle up and down the verge so all still well.
Eyup, they soon came hurtling to the very spot.
The resultant care with which the ropes, heavy metal and bags were shuffled to and fro around a field was like a market trickster doing the three cups and a pea con trick.
Not long in geological timescale, they romped gaily up t' hill.
We similarly tho in a more hetro' style, forged our mighty way to the entrance ( shan't mention Mr. Z going to help with the finding of the chuffin great lid.)
I rigged with the fervour of a fool deprived for far far too long of his little 'fix' of caving.
The entrance was lovely, while slightly damp 2nd' pitch slightly less so. We had oodles of time in-hand,so Craig and the intrepid Mr.Z had a nosey up the in-situ' rope to the 'rock bridge' above East Chamber (and towards Jim's crawl?)
I was 'caught short' (how ironic) and had to add to the water table. I took the precaution of clipping in tho to save t'owd man scaring me over the edge mid-flow. Lucky too! A pebble or two took the quick route from above the rock bridge and faily hurtled past me. Had I not evacuated my bowels earlier I may have had a good tale to tell here!
Third pitch + def' damp
Then a wee drop and my first look in East chamber, just a little ratch about. How far does the dig go?
A superb drenching from above to reach 'the slope', the black line still in place so we ambled to the fourth, we had fetched a rope for the Pilgrims Way pull through, but as we'd already faffed, thought to go and be ready to exchange with the boys.
The usual admiration of the West Chamber,
Then we waited....
OOOh Light.
Still there .
Still there,
Craig mentioned we had taken best part of 45 min's from 'first spot' to reaching West Chamber last time, so we waited
After a while we saw the origami kid on the Tyrollean traverse. and rig the descent repeatedly, just to tease us. His arrival was well met with a jolly word or two (no piss-take at all)
They all three looked well and had enjoyed the heavy metal experience. Just an hours stroll ahead of them fetching our lite* tm. gear to H.Q.
We planned with a military precision the method of crossing up t' Tyrol' without breaking two more ribs as once before (thankyou Clive!)
A speciall inclusion of a wee prussic loop to feed the last rope through would avoid wear on the 'eco'
On rope, gently feed out to the perpendicular and climb vertically. Piss!!
Very damp this side, rope very heavy, metal? nuff said.
Up etc, hauling an aged arse, a wet bag of rope and a damaged back, I found strength in my faith - the certainty that the P. V. would still be serving for hours on return.
More rope, unusuall knots and frugality to be admired anywhere other than a re-belay.
Sweet luck (sorry typo!) i was well knackered at one or other pitch-head, short legs /tall rigger, Ya know wot i mean? Back not as good as earlier, must take care (silly bugger, I should always take care on rope, eh?)
Craig caught up with me at Trebuchet, where I changed batteries. We checked the mighty Mr.Z and retired to the wall at the top of the Jumbles.
I called to our de-rigger ,then made back to assist, even his legs had to stretch at one point, then return over t' edge to haul a very naughty bag past a b*sard of a jutty-out bit.
Well played Sir!
I sent Craig on with all he could haul, then fetched a wet bag of muddy (also heavy) rope ,steel crabs and other assorted heavy metal.
Up!! was the plan, the back and subsequently un-fit legs said piss-off ya twonk,
I pleaded (without moving my lips or uttering a syllable aloud) with them to co-operate, promising not to embarrass them on a caving forum if they would simply obey me and do their damned job!
That did the trick, and luckily the short ugly little beggars can't read,
Only t' entrance to go , easy, squallid and muddy, Craig checked my progress dilligently and then ran to the warmth of his far too posh a conveyance for a struggling teacher.
I topped and hid in a hollow from the biting ravages of the spring weather.
"Oy, you there?" yells Mr. Z, coming into view.
I leapt into action, threw the bag to the side and confessed I couldn't lean forward to haul the last rope out with the last of our party. He shrugged and did the bizz, until another unusual (weighted) knot refused to play-ball. he pulled, pushed,wiggled and bemoaned the gods and the four winds while not (pun) undoing yea well safe attachment. I gave it a little encouragement and the day was won , Hurrah!
Thank you all for a great wet heavy muddy prelude to my isolated pint of Absolluton at the Red Lion, Litton.
This whetted my appetite for the P. V. in 'Matlock Bath.
Many thanks boys, adieu till the next time, ta boys.
O. G.]]> Jon Hardy CavingSun, 29 Apr 2012 21:35:54 +0100 http://www.jotech.co.uk/forum/read.php?4,911,918#msg-918 http://www.jotech.co.uk/forum/read.php?4,911,918#msg-918
Cheers J]]> Jeremy CavingSat, 28 Apr 2012 23:14:50 +0100 http://www.jotech.co.uk/forum/read.php?3,908,917#msg-917 http://www.jotech.co.uk/forum/read.php?3,908,917#msg-917
Andy that would be great thanks. I'll be at the wall this Wednesday, not the one after as I'm in Verdon, but I'll be there again the Wednesday after.

Emma :)]]> Emma ClimbingFri, 27 Apr 2012 09:08:31 +0100 http://www.jotech.co.uk/forum/read.php?3,908,916#msg-916 http://www.jotech.co.uk/forum/read.php?3,908,916#msg-916 Jon Hardy ClimbingThu, 19 Apr 2012 12:46:35 +0100 http://www.jotech.co.uk/forum/read.php?3,908,915#msg-915 http://www.jotech.co.uk/forum/read.php?3,908,915#msg-915
Andy]]> Andy Hemsted ClimbingThu, 19 Apr 2012 09:59:37 +0100 http://www.jotech.co.uk/forum/read.php?1,913,914#msg-914 http://www.jotech.co.uk/forum/read.php?1,913,914#msg-914 Jon Hardy AnnouncementsWed, 18 Apr 2012 15:37:17 +0100 http://www.jotech.co.uk/forum/read.php?1,913,913#msg-913 http://www.jotech.co.uk/forum/read.php?1,913,913#msg-913

The Cave and Crag PHOTO COMPETITION is back!
Yes dear members, the opportunity to have your mantlepiece groaning under the weight of this magnificent trophy has returned!
This year there will be two categories; ' Best Outdoor Photo' which takes the trophy, and 'Cover Shot' which will be featured on the 2013 Meet Card.
Judging will take place during Pant y Fest [1-5 June], and entries-whether by email, post or in person, must be in by 20 May to ensure we get them all printed in time. Competition is already hotting up with several entries already received, so get snapping folks, choose your SINGLE best image and send it to claire dignon Remember to include when and where taken, and a title. Members who have already sent in entries need not duplicate them.]]> John Evetts AnnouncementsWed, 18 Apr 2012 13:42:01 +0100 http://www.jotech.co.uk/forum/read.php?4,896,912#msg-912 http://www.jotech.co.uk/forum/read.php?4,896,912#msg-912
Thanks for a great trip on Saturday! Full write up to follow for the news letter, let me know if you want any highlights for you included.

I'm so proud of you all.

Have a think about your next big one I'm bound to be allowed out soon...

Gladys]]> Gladys CavingMon, 16 Apr 2012 22:09:42 +0100 http://www.jotech.co.uk/forum/read.php?4,911,911#msg-911 http://www.jotech.co.uk/forum/read.php?4,911,911#msg-911

Dear all

You are invited to MCRO's training day and AGM.

Training Day
The next training day for MCRO will take place on Saturday 12 May 2012. The location will be Total Access (UK) Limited, Raleigh Hall Industrial Estate, Eccleshall ST21 6JL. The doors will be open at 10am to commence training at 10:30am. Please note that this training day will be for MCRO members only.

AGM
The MCRO AGM will take place at 4pm on Saturday 12 May 2012. The location will be Total Access (UK) Limited, Raleigh Hall Industrial Estate, Eccleshall ST21 6JL.

For those that are interested, we are hoping to arrange a pub meal after the AGM in Eccleshall and will require confirmation by 28th April 2012 if you want to join us.

Full details will follow in due course.

Many thanks
Emma

Emma Porter
Warden/Training Co-Ordinator]]> Chris H CavingMon, 16 Apr 2012 21:53:33 +0100 http://www.jotech.co.uk/forum/read.php?4,896,910#msg-910 http://www.jotech.co.uk/forum/read.php?4,896,910#msg-910Spoke to Jo last night, they are all arriving Friday night.
Early start? :D That'll definately happen!!!
Have a good trip while I'm Daddy day care!
chris]]> Chris H CavingFri, 13 Apr 2012 10:34:00 +0100 http://www.jotech.co.uk/forum/read.php?4,896,909#msg-909 http://www.jotech.co.uk/forum/read.php?4,896,909#msg-909
I have been granted permission to come out on the Saturday. Probably not allowed out on Sunday - but we will see.

Is everyone pitching up on Friday night? Thats best for me and if we dont get too drunk we can have a decent crack at the grand circle (outer circle thing).

Let me know the score.

Cheers Gladys.]]> Gladys CavingWed, 11 Apr 2012 21:18:43 +0100 http://www.jotech.co.uk/forum/read.php?3,908,908#msg-908 http://www.jotech.co.uk/forum/read.php?3,908,908#msg-908
I'm pretty keen to do some scrambling this year and wondered if anyone fancied going? I've not really done much yet so I was thinking interesting but not too hard routes. Does anyone have any suggestions where's good to go? Maybe somewhere with a pub at the end...

Thanks!]]> Emma ClimbingTue, 10 Apr 2012 15:17:41 +0100 http://www.jotech.co.uk/forum/read.php?3,855,907#msg-907 http://www.jotech.co.uk/forum/read.php?3,855,907#msg-907
Did we get the grant in the end? We going to get a shiny new rack? :)]]> Emma ClimbingTue, 10 Apr 2012 15:14:28 +0100 http://www.jotech.co.uk/forum/read.php?4,906,906#msg-906 http://www.jotech.co.uk/forum/read.php?4,906,906#msg-906Best
Chris :)-D

Date: Saturday 21st April 2012
Time: 8.30pm
Place: Waterloo Hotel, Taddington, Derbyshire

Featuring live band - 'The Woolly Jumpers'

Admission price is £5.00 and there is free camping available in a field
behind the pub.

The stomp is open to all cavers and friends.
We look forward to seeing some of you there.

Regards,
Jason Rider
Social Secretary
Eldon Pothole Club]]> Chris H CavingMon, 09 Apr 2012 20:42:36 +0100 http://www.jotech.co.uk/forum/read.php?4,896,905#msg-905 http://www.jotech.co.uk/forum/read.php?4,896,905#msg-905Sent the forms off for the keys, they should be sent to your house.
I'm still not sure if I can make it as Gill is working. Got to love working for the public sector!
Will see if Adrian is free.
Cheers
Chris]]> Chris H CavingWed, 04 Apr 2012 13:24:08 +0100 http://www.jotech.co.uk/forum/read.php?1,904,904#msg-904 http://www.jotech.co.uk/forum/read.php?1,904,904#msg-904I wonder if you could put on your website a note that my father's service will be at approximately 11am on 5th May at the Holy Trinity Church in Dunoon.
It's tucked away above the west bay in Dunoon, their website www.holytrinitydunoon.co.uk has directions.
Thanks and regards,
Ewan Lyons.]]> John Evetts AnnouncementsTue, 03 Apr 2012 15:16:01 +0100 http://www.jotech.co.uk/forum/read.php?4,903,903#msg-903 http://www.jotech.co.uk/forum/read.php?4,903,903#msg-903 Jon Hardy CavingTue, 03 Apr 2012 00:52:56 +0100 http://www.jotech.co.uk/forum/read.php?4,572,902#msg-902 http://www.jotech.co.uk/forum/read.php?4,572,902#msg-902
With Ric still in a process of convalescing but desperate to cave, we decided to get back to our project of discovering every nook and cranny on offer in the Via Gellia. Ric had previously ventured into the initial passages, but for me it would all be virgin. We dumped our cars at the Play Mill car park and set off up the faint, winding track. We soon arrived at a very well secured adit entrance, but nearby a scramble over the top of a giant block led into the upper workings. Ric pointed out the ‘ladder of doom’, disappearing up into the stopes. Just to get onto the decayed remnants of the ladder required gymnastic moves that included teetering on a piece of loose pipe and relying on a bit of old, frayed tat tied to a very rusty old bar. Ric might well have got his agile lads up there once but there was no way I fancied leaving my two minus a dad!
We soon found the elusive route which twisted its way down into the lower workings. We were both very surprised to find how extensive it was (Clive, both you and your camera’s services are in demand!) It was typically Masson hill type caving, with plenty of pipe workings and heaps of mineralization to keep Ric busy. The passages also had lots of hints of more recent usage, including a lot of abandoned pipage and a dirty great big white water tank, blocking a lower passage – we marvelled about how on earth it had got there and what the nearby quarry would have been up to? I followed a low sough until it met a dammed up wall with piped water gushing out and then we crept through another low passage to find ourselves in a surprisingly large and long chamber with a multitude of smaller routes leading off. After a very interesting explore, we retreated to the PV for a pint of the ‘Plum’ and to plot our next trip into this place.

This wasn’t too far away! Having enticed Clive with stories of giant underground caverns, the three of us returned the following Friday, complete with camera gear. Despite my reservations, the two of them were soon teetering on the said pipe and dragging themselves up the bit of tat – I have to admit, it wasn’t quite the ladder of doom I had imagined. We soon found ourselves in the upper workings; a seldom trodden and crumbly place. The workings here dated well back. Ric had in mind reaching the mythical Fountrabbey Level, and we gave it a good try, including tight crawls both under and up ancient piles of deads, and Ric starting his own little dig! There are more leads to follow, but we’ll be needing a couple of scaffold bars and some rope to help us!

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]]> Jon Hardy CavingSat, 31 Mar 2012 19:13:20 +0100 http://www.jotech.co.uk/forum/read.php?4,896,901#msg-901 http://www.jotech.co.uk/forum/read.php?4,896,901#msg-901
Matt, Emma, Clive, Richard, Chris (but possibly only for one day) and Anthony.

If there's anyone else interested let me know : )]]> JoW CavingTue, 27 Mar 2012 21:20:34 +0100